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VERY important about radiation
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tygerkittn
Joined: Fri Sep 18, 2009 3:38 pm Posts: 832 Location: Southeast
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 VERY important about radiation
This is from Market Ticker, evidently topical is OK if there's nothing better. These warnings are very important, Reposted with permission: Market Ticker content may be reproduced or excerpted online provided full attribution is given and the original article source is linked to. Please contact Karl Denninger for reprint permission in other media.
So he does give permission for online reposts. |  |  |  | Quote: WARNING: Fear-Mongering And Health By Karl Denninger
There are a bunch of scare-mongers flying around right now on the Internet claiming that the Japanese reactor situation is about to poison the West Coast with extremely high levels of radiation.
Some of them are making claims that 750 rads of radiation is expected to reach the United States and that one should either be prepared to or outright begin taking potassium iodide as a prophylaxis against what is otherwise certain radiation poisoning.
Let's dispel a few myths and spike the scare-mongers:
If, and I stress if, there is a reason to attempt to protect your thyroid against radioactive iodine exposure only Potassium Iodide should be used. NOT, I repeat NOT, Potassium Iodate. They are not the same chemical. The first is FDA approved for this purpose, the second is not. In an emergency situation you can also paint iodine solution (the topical stuff that is used on cuts and such) on your trunk and get some degree of protection. The latter must NEVER be ingested as it is a poison. There is no solid evidence of how well painted-on iodine will actually work, but it's better than nothing if it's all you have.
You can buy commercial Potassium Iodide tablets. You can also buy the reagent (USP grade only please!) commercially and make a saturated solution. It is an unrestricted chemical as it is not useful for "nasty" things. Possessing some is not a terribly bad idea. The tablets expire while an unopened bottle of the reagent should have a near-infinite shelf life under reasonable storage conditions. But this is for a nuclear accident (or attack) here, not what is currently going on in Japan.
There is risk associated with dosing your thyroid to block it. As such you should never do this except in the case of an imminent exposure. Prophylaxis is a bad idea on speculative fervor. This is especially true when the scaremongers are quoting demonstrably bad information like dose levels that will kill you outright irrespective of what you do - and which are not going to occur.
Iodine saturation protects against only one radioactive element. The thyroid concentrates iodine in the body and radioactive iodine exposure can cause thyroid cancer later on. Thus, the recommendation. However, no other radiation source is protected against by doing this. This is critically important as there are many other radioactive "things" in any radiation release. The other bad one is Strontium-90, which has an affinity for the bone marrow. It cannot be blocked or removed. As such it is far more important not to be exposed and to mitigate against exposure than it is to try to block one - and only one - element. I've been sent several copies of "fright night" nuclear nonsense personally in an attempt, I presume, to get me to jump on the bandwagon and either drive sales of Potassium Iodide tablets or worse, to frighten the hell out of people.
This is all crap - period. Throw those emails, if you receive them, in the trash. Similarly posts on conspiracy boards (and you know which ones I'm talking about) are utter and complete garbage; if they're allowing this crap to be posted with impunity you have to question everything else on those systems.
First, dose is strongly determined by distance as the material dissipates. What is expelled in an accident (or bomb detonation) is basically dust particles of radioactive material. The dust itself is made up of the radioactive substance, air is not and does not become radioactive. The dust settles out onto the ground over time and the closer you are to the source the more of it settles there; larger particles come out first and closest, with smaller ones being more-dispersed.
Even in the worst-case scenario where the core of the reactor was to be completely exposed to atmosphere and burn to exhaustion (much like what happened at Chernobyl) a 750 rad exposure level thousands of miles away, killing everyone, is literally hundreds of times the exposure that would occur. At Chernobyl there were clusters of heightened cancer found hundreds or thousands of miles away, but this is very different from a claimed 750 rad exposure level - which would have killed literally everyone.
To put this in perspective when Chernobyl blew up locations about 600 miles downwind got exposures of 10-100 times the background rate, and the higher value only persisted for a short time. That sounds bad, but it really isn't much. The total dose per person in eastern Europe and places like Helsinki, which was directly downwind of the plume, was about 0.5 rads over the first few weeks, or roughly double the usual expected annual dose.
That's bad, but it's not the sort of catastrophe that everyone is screaming about being imminent, and Chernobyl is about as bad as it gets when you start talking about industrial nuclear accidents.
Note that a "Rad" is an absolute unit but not the biological effect. They are only interchangeable if you are dealing with gamma rays; that is, "1 rad" = "1 rem" (about) for gamma emissions. If you're taking fast neutrons, however, "1 rad" = "10 rem" - that is, fast neutrons are much more harmful (unit-per-unit) than gamma emissions. Most of the "things" we worry about in terms of exposure, however, emit gamma rays (and not neutrons.) One exception is polonium, which emits alpha particles - alpha emitters are very dangerous if ingested, about 20 times as much as a gamma source of equivalent "count." Don't break open and eat your smoke detector, basically.
A "rem", incidentally, is a very large unit of exposure. Background exposure to radiation (natural sources) is usually in the area of 300 or so millirems (thousandths of a rem) annually.
So with these facts in mind, let's evaluate.
First, Japan is a hell of a lot further from the West Coast than is Helsinki from Chernobyl. Second, Cherenobyl was pretty-much a worst-case accident where pretty-much the entire core burned up and released its products into the atmosphere. What we have at this point is a very minor (by comparison) release of reaction products in steam. As the reactor has now been subscritical for quite a while even if it was to catastrophically lose containment odds are that the ability of the fuel to ignite and burn in this fashion would be greatly reduced and may no longer exist.
But let's assume that the reactor did indeed blow its top and all the containment measures failed. Even so, the radiation reaching the West Coast would not reach the sort of levels that comprise an imminent risk to health. In Japan, especially parts of Japan that happened to be downwind of the plant when it happened, yes. There you'd simply be nuts not to take Potassium Iodide to block your thyroid even though the acute exposure risk would be quite material - and impossible to block successfully (except by sheltering away from it until it dissipated to a reasonably-safe level.)
But here?
No way.
If someone can show me a credible atmospheric dissipation model that brings any material dose of radioactive iodine across the Pacific and into the West Coast I'm all ears. Thus much I can tell you with certainty though - there's no way we're going to take 750 rads of exposure over a short period of time in the United States.
The situation in Japan with their reactors is serious. But we do much harm to our discourse when we pay attention to the scaremongers and give them a voice. These people are not interested in public health or honest information - they're running their schemes and scams with an intent to either drive a political agenda or profit from unbridled and unreasonable fear.
Radiation is all around us all of the time. Most of it is natural. There are man-made sources and this is, potentially, one of them. But there is no reason to believe under any credible scenario, even if all control of the reactors were to be lost and containment rendered entirely useless, that the Japanese reactor accidents could irradiate any part of the United States, including the west coast, with a blanket of radioactive particles that would be materially dangerous to your health.
Don't fall for the scaremongering.
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Muad'dib
Joined: Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:56 pm Posts: 2030 Location: Indiana
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 Re: VERY important about radiation
Thanks for this important information, it is in line with all I have read also.
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caltrop
Joined: Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:02 pm Posts: 310 Location: IN
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With a bad enough NUCLEAR incident YOU ARE DEAD no matter what!
It is possible with a big enough explosion to scatter radiation all over the place but the Japan incident is not that BIG - YET. We might get a little radiation but I don't think it will be much and mostly on the west coast, nothing lethal.
Have you heard that our troops over there are using DEPLETED URANIUM ammunition? It makes good armor piercing ammo but is VERY TOXIC I hear. And depleted does not mean NO radiation; it still has plenty of radiation, just not what it had in the nuclear reactor it was powering.
Yes there is a LOT of fear mongering today. I do NOT watch news anymore. But most people are scared of their own shadow. What scares me is this GOVERNMENT today and I'm more MAD than scared.
But thanks for the info.
_________________ Cynical Misanthrope
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kelee877
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Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:09 pm Posts: 7444 Location: Northern Ontario
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 Re: VERY important about radiation
Japan: my heart aches for the people, so much loss of life, so much devestation...I do watch the news and it is like watching a continual horror story over and over again.....but I have not allowed to change how I do things or who or what I am...I am a seasoned prepper and a follower of God....we have ears that hear and eyes that see...
and what I have seen is that anything can happen at anytime or in anyplace....
I just ordered potttasium idodide and I figure at 60.00 for a bottle of 240 tables to cover me and the 3 children and if the pills expire in 2015( 5 years) then I have made a 3 dollar investment over a 5 year term for mental stability sake.....
I am always recalling the passage from the Bible, that we are to have ears that hear and eyes that see...and from what I can see( in my humble opinion) we never know when, where,how or why tragedy is going to strike and if we have been given the means to get just onefurther step ahead, then by all means take it.
I have to go get ready for the day...but before I do, I have bowed my head once again and prayed for Japan...for each and everyone of them who has lost a loved one,a pet..I mean if we look past the news for a few minutes...
_________________ In loving memory of my son Chris April 12 1985-June 19 2007
I don’t think it’s a matter of “is it coming.” I think that it’s already here, it’s just a matter of perspective. From one perspective, our frog friends are telling us that we should be grateful that the “spa” is hot and luxurious. From the cook’s perspective… another 10 minutes and we’ll be dinner.
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